Disclaimer: Its been almost a year since I posted here. Just finally found my login credentials. So if this has been beaten to death please feel free to lock my thread and I'll seek out a past post.
I've been hearing this come up a couple of times and wanted to bring it to the forefront. I've always looked at the claims of " Art A is good for combat sport but I study art B which is good for self-defense not ring fighting" As frankly " it's nonsense. My reasoning has always been What reason would you have to believe that if you could not do something in a safer setting - be it an open rules sparring session, boxing ring, cage etc that if the situation was worse you'd fare better? Or more so what besides the same bag of dirty tactics everyone knows from grade school that everyone can do and know ( eye gouge, fish hooks, groin strikes ) could you/would you do that a cage/ring/open gym prohibits?Edit: ( that is also high percentage)
IMHO The claim that my art is good for self-defense but not in open competition essential comes down to claiming you're only good at defending yourself against people whom aren't highly skilled at fighting. It's like claiming you're an amazingly fast runner, but get smoked by everyone on the track. So you then shift to claiming " well i'm not fast on tracks, only on the streets of ( insert neighborhood here).
Example: I've been doing Judo for almost 3 years and BJJ for 7. I feel pretty confident and safe when my drunk friends try to wrestle me, however should one of my drunk friends also be one of our higher up belts - Now not so much.
You're average drunk belligerent person makes a large amount of tactical errors. Should you have even slightly more skill you'll do better. However if that same drunk Belligerent person was Shanon Briggs - well now you'll need way more than a slight advantage.
Now keep in mind i'm aware of the adjustments you'd have to make to training for a full self-defense ability. such as weapon and gun work, multiple opponent strategies and training all ranges. I'm asking more from a technical side.
My main point: When we take out the plethora of other things that go into self defense ( situational awareness, body language, conflict escalation, and de-escalation, recognizing patterns of criminal assault etc) and speak specifically about the isolated aspect of self defense that is -fisticuffs- what exactly does sport do so wrong that arts that claim they only teach for self-defense do so right? Or more so will give a self-defenser a leg up?
I've been hearing this come up a couple of times and wanted to bring it to the forefront. I've always looked at the claims of " Art A is good for combat sport but I study art B which is good for self-defense not ring fighting" As frankly " it's nonsense. My reasoning has always been What reason would you have to believe that if you could not do something in a safer setting - be it an open rules sparring session, boxing ring, cage etc that if the situation was worse you'd fare better? Or more so what besides the same bag of dirty tactics everyone knows from grade school that everyone can do and know ( eye gouge, fish hooks, groin strikes ) could you/would you do that a cage/ring/open gym prohibits?Edit: ( that is also high percentage)
IMHO The claim that my art is good for self-defense but not in open competition essential comes down to claiming you're only good at defending yourself against people whom aren't highly skilled at fighting. It's like claiming you're an amazingly fast runner, but get smoked by everyone on the track. So you then shift to claiming " well i'm not fast on tracks, only on the streets of ( insert neighborhood here).
Example: I've been doing Judo for almost 3 years and BJJ for 7. I feel pretty confident and safe when my drunk friends try to wrestle me, however should one of my drunk friends also be one of our higher up belts - Now not so much.
You're average drunk belligerent person makes a large amount of tactical errors. Should you have even slightly more skill you'll do better. However if that same drunk Belligerent person was Shanon Briggs - well now you'll need way more than a slight advantage.
Now keep in mind i'm aware of the adjustments you'd have to make to training for a full self-defense ability. such as weapon and gun work, multiple opponent strategies and training all ranges. I'm asking more from a technical side.
My main point: When we take out the plethora of other things that go into self defense ( situational awareness, body language, conflict escalation, and de-escalation, recognizing patterns of criminal assault etc) and speak specifically about the isolated aspect of self defense that is -fisticuffs- what exactly does sport do so wrong that arts that claim they only teach for self-defense do so right? Or more so will give a self-defenser a leg up?
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