For Mdgee - BJJ, JJJ and Judo

Yo, the Brazil called, they asked if you actually understand the history involved.

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Originally Posted by mdgee (Post 1074890975) Maybe we can create a new thread so that we don't distract from the original question here. Ok?

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Originally Posted by mdgee (Post 1074890715) Hannibal, I most certainly can justify. I just refuse to debate with folks that are clearly biased. First off, BJJ is not Jiu Jitsu. Let's get that straight right off. The founders of BJJ never studied Jiu Jitsu. They studied Judo, which is a watered down version of Judo and that is what was used to create BJJ. Now personally I have nothing against BJJ but I do not believe it is a street smart martial art. Traditional Jiu Jitsu is a survival martial art. The entire martial art was created for survival and, like KM, teaches you how to kill your enemy if necessary. BJJ does not teach this. Likewise, what are you going to do with BJJ? Grapple someone to the ground who tries to push his way in? I've think we've had this discussion over and over again and it's sounding like a broken record. BJJ is not a street smart martial art. Maybe it was in it's infancy but it has evolved to become a sport and not a martial art. Whenever someone asks me what to study for defense I will advise them to go with traditional jiu jitsu any day over bjj and add it with that either muay thai, muay boran, or a form of tkd that is not sport oriented. 99% of any fight we have, and they are rare and far between, involve someone attacking us or trying to rob us. Look at some of the modified, deadly martial arts and what they have used to make themselves so deadly. Kajukenbo has Karate, Jitsu, Judo and Kempo. Hisardut has Jiu Jitsu and Kyokushin. Krav Maga has Jiu Jitsu, Karate, Judo, TKD, and a few others that Imi Lichtenstein studied during his life. I don't think anyone would argue with me if I told them to go study Kajukenbo if they lived in a tough neighborhood. It was born on the streets in Hawaii. Why is it that none of those martial arts use BJJ? None of the. It's not BJJ that they use. It's JJJ. One guy attacked me in high school for fun. I was putting my books into my locker. He knocked all of my books out of my hand. At the time I was studying martial arts with a sweet, old, Chinese man. Don't ask me what it was because I never asked him. He told me it was old and very rare and no one else would ever show me the moves he would show me. I basically did a spin kick to that guy while he was laughing at me. The laugh turned into shock as he hit the floor. All of his friends stopped laughing and the "nerd squad" of the school stood and applauded because this guy was the school bully. Now, could BJJ have been used? Umm, if I wrestled him to the ground. With Judo I could flip him over my shoulder. With JJJ I could have dropped him to his knees as he cried out in pain with just a wrist lock. So, I say to the creator of this thread. Study Judo, or traditional jiu jitsu (Japanese) if you want to defend yourself in a life or death situation. Honestly, a BJJ student is no match for a well trained practitioner of Japanese Jiu Jitsu. The problem is, many of the JJJ schools have been watered down because BJJ has become famous promoting itself, mainly through word of mouth, as something that it is not. So, I say no to BJJ. If you want to do Aikido and Judo that's fine. If you can find a JJJ school that can trace it's lineage back to Japan and the teacher and students appear serious then you'll be in good hands. Judo, if you can find a school that teaches the defensive judo vs. the sport judo, is darn effective and that's why it was included in Kakukenbo, Hisardut, Krav Maga and a few other blended martial arts.

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Originally Posted by mdgee (Post 1074890941) I used the high school example for a very good reason. If you are rolling around with a couple of chums you'll end up on the floor. If you are attacked you are in a life or death situation and you will put that person on the ground before he ever puts you down and then get the heck out of town. Anyone with half a brain is not going to stick around and fight unless you have no choice.

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Dean, your comments amuse me. Try walking into a Jiu Jitsu dojo in Japan and call them sissies or tell them that their martial art sucks. What I find the most amusing of all of you is that you attempt to elevate BJJ, which is less then 70 years old, to something that it isn't. You all do this while putting down traditional Jiu Jitsu as inferior so you can life up BJJ to a higher status. I'd say the biggest insecurity is coming from the BJJ camp. Not the creators but the practitioners. See, I know they creators of BJJ aren't running around telling the world that BJJ is better then JJJ. It's only the practitioners. They have too much class to denigrate another martial art. Honestly, I thought Map would be different then Bullshido but I'm starting to wonder now. You all make these claims about BJJ while no one can provide any proof to me. The burden of proof lies with you who claim BJJ to be superior. JJJ has been in existence for a long, long time. I have nothing to prove.

Dean subsequently posts picture of him in his japanese jiu jitsu class